Maybe ‘What’s Going on with the Clintons’ was the wrong title
This little ole blog has been up for one month. I put it up because I got pissed off about something some yahoo charter school warrior said in the Wall Street Journal about my great state, Ohio. I’m a Democrat and believe that the Republican Party is bereft of ideas, leadership, and good sense. I also know that under the last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, Ds proved that they are now not only the party of social justice and responsibility, but the party of fiscal sense.
The seeming skullduggery at work behind the scenes by some supporters of Sen. Hillary Clinton, and the tepid – bordering on disrespectful treatment by Bill Clinton of our party’s presumptive nominee – does nothing but help John McCain. To the folks who commented on my previous post, I continue to ask, does your “historic” near accomplishment trump Barack Obama’s historic accomplishment? Does your bitterness in loss need to go on without end and possibly enable four more years of Iraq, four more years of doing jack shit about the long-term energy policy in this country, four more years of pseudo-intellectuals pissing on the Constitution from the Truman Balcony?
Something else happened on the ole blog today through the comments. One particular email address posted the same message three times and variations on that message two or three more times. It’s either Republican spam or somebody who doesn’t rewrite the talking points very well. At any rate, it was an interesting display of bile today … hope it was all Repuplicans fanning the flames and things aren’t worse than I thought.
So, to my detractors on last night’s post, I will concede it’s not all the Clintons fault. Perhaps the tite should have been, “Some Clinton Supporters’ Emotional Instability Will Lead to America Taking Two Steps Back.”
Senator Obama won fair and square. Sen. Clinton was not served well by her top staff in the campaign. That contest is over. Time for unity.
Obama stole the election thru the caucuses and with the help of Dean and Brazille. This is being proven right now.
Clinton supporters should avoid supporting this fraud at all costs.
Obama is a loathsome buffoon. Country must come before party. Nothing about Obama suggests he will lead in the fashion you imply. He is wishy washy and has indicated he will take troops from Iraq and put them in afghanistan. This is not anti-war. He is a fraud who stole the nomination. The country will survive one more GOP admin. It may not survive Obama.
Barack Obama will never have my support or my vote. He would be wrong for our country beyond any and all issues. I don’t believe that John McCain would take our country “two steps back” as you say, but I would rather risk that than go where Obama would want to take us.
What is wrong with you Obama supporters? No one ever talks about how historic Hillary’s run was except her supporters. You think everything revolves around Obama. It is not. How has Bill Clinton been disrepectful to Obama? Wasn’t it Obama, his campaign and surrogates that called him and Hillary racist? Have you forgotten the memo Obama’s campaign sent to the press of the words they should view as racist coming from Hillary’s campaign? Why do you Obama supporters expect everyone to worship your messiah?
Behind the scenes work?! All we are seeing is Obama bullying everyone. Do you think we have forgotten how his surrogates bullied African American superdelegates to endorse him. How do you think John Lewis feels?
“Some Clinton Supporters’ Emotional Instability Will Lead to America Taking Two Steps Back.
I think you should speak for yourself because it is the Obama supporters who are emotionally unstable. You have forgotten what a democracy is. You don’t see anything wrong with Obama stealing Hillary’s Michigan delegates. You think it is okay to bully people to support your messiah. Free speech is being thrown out the window. Whenever someone says anything that isn’t a praise of your messiah you call them racist.
You Obama supporters have got to come out of your trance because the truth and fact is not everyone likes Obama and it has got nothing to do with his race and we have reached a point where it has nothing to do with Hillary. Obama has no core values. He is a coward who can’t choose which issue to support. He is for and against Iraq withdraw, Nafta, Gun control, abortion, offshore drilling etc. How do you expect people to support such a coward? No wonder he voted 130 times present in Illonios.
Why do Obama supporters hate Democracy?
I’d rather vote for a man who considers himself a public servant than an a pandering lying thug who thinks he’s been annointed by history to be savior of the world. And if defeating the presumptuous nominee means getting our party back from king makers and race baiters like Dean and Donna then that’s what we’ll do. You like autocracy? Move to Russia and spend the rest of your life voting for Putin surrogates. Here in America some of us still believe in one person one vote.
I still have hope. You can keep the change.
Hillary or McCain ‘08. PUMA!
You seem to be implying that because Senator Obama is a Democrat that all Democrats must fall in line and unite behind this candidate. There is much more at stake here than voting along party lines. Over 18 Million voters decided Obama wasn’t the candidate they could support in the primary. These voters picked Hillary Clinton and some continue to feel that they can’t support Obama. Senator Clinton should expect her name to be put in nomination, just like all those candidates who have gone before.
You also claim that Senator Obama won fair and square. Obama hasn’t won anything yet. He is the presumptive nominee and will only win after the super delegates cast their vote at the convention, since he didn’t win the required number of delegates to cinch the nomination during the primary.
And the most insulting sentence in your piece is “Perhaps the title should have been, ‘Some Clinton Supporters’ Emotional Instability Will Lead to America Taking Two Steps Back.’ ” Being called emotionally unstable because we won’t fall in line with your thinking or that of Senator Obama is one of the main reasons so many people won’t vote for him in the fall. Senator Obama and you have also called us bitter.
Take a look at your language, the language of Senator Obama and his supporters towards Hillary Clinton voters and then answer your own question about why so many aren’t willing to support him. And you might also take a look at Senator McCain’s campaign for a little clue. I don’t see him constantly telling his party members that they must unite behind him or that he is entitled to their vote or that they are somehow unstable and bitter because they won’t vote for him in the fall.
Party leaders can cry to the heavens until November that the party will be unified. That doesn’t make it so. There is no unity.
You asked, “does your ‘historic’ near accomplishment trump Barack Obama’s historic accomplishment?”
You don’t seem to understand that our refusal to fall in line and support Barack Obama has nothing to do with “historic” anything. It has to do with qualifications, experience, judgment, wisdom, actions, honesty, purpose, and inner strength, among other attributes. Barack Obama is sorely lacking in all of these. Let me toss a few “key words” out:
FISA
NAFTA
Women’s Choice
Public Financing
Alice Palmer
William Ayers
Bernadine Dohrn
Jeremiah Wright
Tony Rezko
Nadhmi Auchi
Landstuhl Regional Medical Center
Present (repeat 129 times)
Michigan
Florida
4 Michigan Delegates
I could go on and on and on but I won’t. The only “historic” aspect of Obama’s campaign is that the Democratic Party chose the most inexperienced candidate ever, over one much more qualified in every way. It has nothing to do with Clinton being a woman, or Obama being bi-racial, or bitterness (good lord, I am SO tired of being called “bitter”), or supporting a Democrat for no other reason than that “D” (I’m an Indie now, after 36 years as a registered Dem).
It has to do with whether or not I believe Barack Obama has what it takes to be the leader of this country. My answer is NO.
Does John McCain? Actually, while I disagree with many of his views, I do think he’d be less of a disaster than Obama.
Pretty sad, isn’t it, that I have to choose, once again, between the lesser of two disasters, when the most qualified person was right in front of us all the time.
PUMA Power!
What is it with you obamabots? You are so blind that you refuse to see that Obama, the DNC,and Main Media are all in the tank together. They stealing of the election for the “selected” preposterous nominee Obamai came @ at a price, around 1/2-1 billion dollars and the democratic loss of votes in the millions.
Hillary WON the popular vote and if the RBC and DNC had not stolen the delegates and votes from MI/FL on 5//31 she would be the outright winner. By the way, you do know that Obambi does NOT have enough delegates for the nomination don’t you?
Obambi was dragged across the so called finish line by the three stooges Dean, Donna and Nancy.
Possibly you are not aware that FDR WON his nomination on the 4th ballot!
Obambi is associated witht he rife raft of the world and has a God complex known only by a few in history, and the comparisons are not kind. So go ahead and drink from the kool=aid fointain, we grown ups will save this country from the stink that has become the UNDEMOCRATIC party.
I just have to laugh….look, Donna Brazille said on national TV, the new Dem party doesn’t need its ‘old” base anymore. So if she and others like yourself want to kick us to the curb, fine . But how you expect those kicked out to somehow unify now, is beyond my comprehension. Did I dream Hillary Clinton putting in 18 hour days for months on end in an effort to EARN her votes? Obama thinks everything is handed over like a payoff and wonders why she doesn’t deliver. But Hillary cannot hand over her voters, they have to be earned. Seemingly Obama and company cannot grasp this concept
So, to my detractors on last night’s post, I will concede it’s not all the Clintons fault.
How very generous of you! lol!
Senator Obama won fair and square.
In what Universe? Even with all the cheating and arm twisting, he still hadn’t won anything…unless of course one forgoes actual voting at the convention, which I’m sure would suit the DNC fine. Enjoy your new party.
I agree with the posters above — Obama hasn’t won anything and certainly hasn’t won fair and square. Since IA all Sen. Clinton and her supporters have been fighting for is the right and the opportunity to continue to campaign. Since IA — Iowa — the media and the Obama campaign have been full-court, non-stop, pushing and threatening and insisting that she get out of the race. In the history of Democratic conventions and nominations no one, no one, would be expected, or asked to drop out when they have close to half the delegates and the higher popular vote. That Democrats like yourself cannot see how wrong it is to deny Democrats the right to vote is definitely part of the problem. One person = one vote used to be a value at the heart of civil rights and human rights.
As to why I won’t support BHO even if he should walk away from the convention as the nominee? The answer there is that he and his supporters have abused not just Sen. Clinton but they have abused us, Democratic voters. Sen. Clinton says that politics is a contact sport and it is, but I’m not a politician, I’m a voter. I expect to be treated with respect and consideration and appealed to for my vote. I don’t expect to be called a racist bitter old post-menopausal hag as a prelude to a whole host of other insults. I told Obama supporters back in IA that they were going to cost Obama the election even if he won the nomination and I believe I was right.
H i t l e r was able to succeed as a politician by creating an in group and an out group and making it excruciatingly desirable to be a part of the in-group. We don’t ever want a man of his political acumen to rise to power again and, as such, cannot support an Obama presidency.
We’ve suffered under 7 years of Bush, and BHO is 4 more years of Bush-like politics. Your mistake here is believing that BHO is an economic Democrat, he’s not, he’s a free-market, deficit spending, trickle down Democrat. His economic policy will be even greater deficit. (Have you noticed he pays for his social programs via the savings from ending the war in Iraq???? Seriously. He doesn’t realize that there will be no savings from ending the war in Iraq, that’s all borrowed money. He’s an economic fool.)
PUMA!
So you finally said it isn’t all the Clinton’s fault. How gracious of you! Of course it isn’t. It is my fault and millions like me from PA(me) and all over. I was called bitter, clingy and,oh yes, Donna Brazile said the party doesn’t need me. The fault for Obama’s lack of traction falls right in his own nest of viperous supporters. He is an empty suit pumped up by infantile and arrogant followers who will demonize anyone who doesn’t agree with him. His supporters and Obama’s own failures to recognize others in the party are the reasons he is slipping in the polls and will probably lose in the general election. I and others will Remember in November.
Fair & square?
That’s where you showed your Kool-Aid addiction. One day you will look back and be shocked at what you fell for—The truth and the guilt are going to hurt. Rather than delay the inevitable, put down the Kool-Aid, open your eyes and start reading. Go to justsaynodeal.com and read the blogs listed on the right. You will feel much better now and in the future (You should hear my mother when she talks about falling for McGovern!).
Have a great day.
PUMA.
On to Denver!
Hmmm, why I just cannot get around supporting the guy….let’s see running on transparency but has his birth certificate sealed, still waiting for his medical records…brings in a note from his doctor? sheesh…can’t find his state senate papers…guess the dog ate them…can’t seem to make a decision…130 “present” votes…oh yeah and then there were those what 5 or 6 must have hit the “wrong button” votes….loves to play “victim” therefore no sense of inner strength…ie: much slef loathing…should I go on?!!
Why it is that this country wants to put less than the best out there to represent itself is beyond my comprehension…geezuz crust just “get over it!” he’s flipping around as much as a fish out of water…not my idea of a strong leader…but hey good luck with that…Hillary or McCain BOOYAH!!!
wow, accusing millions of people, possibly up to 9 million people, of emotional instability, instead of respecting that many of these people have been life-long Democrats, contributed to the DNC, are also Democratic women who fell in line for centuries whenever it was politically expedient for their party to kick their rights to the curb…
is it any wonder we’re bitter against you?
if you’re so interested in Unity, then, you should be showing respect instead of blame.
being someone who was a Democrat, and is now an Independent, it’s much easier to talk about the hypocrisy of the Democrats – and this is another example how Democrats shout for tolerance and inclusion, yet abhor anyone who disagrees with them. Only this time, it’s not Dems vs. Republicans, it’s Dems vs. Dems.
I can’t believe most of these comments. They are frightening. McCain or Obama. No contest whether you supported Obama or not. McCain is a scary old guy who will have his hand on the button. Please, Hillary supporters, wake up! We need you to come together to kick these guys out of office hopefully once and for all.
Date:Wed Aug 20,2008
Time:3:13PM
PUMA’S KEEPING IT’S PROMISE..NO OBAMA !
“I repectfully disagree, with the writer’s opinion above, that OBAMA,won the demoncratic nomination fair and squard. ,It was the Republican’s who voted for Obama in that demoncatic contest. Nevertheless, I look forward to Obama’s win in the fall without..Hillary R.Clinton’s name on the ballot box.
Sincerely,
Emmery Jones Jr
Medical Record’s Consultant CCS-P
I understand your frustration. Don’t take it so personally though…The easiest way for Americans to fight is behind closed doors. Years ago we may have hidden behind costumes but today we simply hide behind an Internet connection and anonymous postings. The truth is, most Americans simply don’t engage in commentary to articles and blogs. A very specific group of Americans do and this number, in the big picture, does not even provide an accurate representation of how the news is received. Most times we simply shake our heads at the repetitive nonsense, and the lies. Don’t think that these people are stupid; that they just don’t get it. The truth is far less exciting…as a people who have traded in loyalty for instant gratification; times that call for a sense of this dying feeling have become overwhelming and difficult to adjust. These people who never felt such passion for the political process, stood up and attempted to believe and be loyal and stand by Hillary Clinton whose husband brought us some of the greatest years of our lives (some of us weren’t around for the greats of old)…they feel sad, frustrated and a sense of failure because their candidate didn’t get the prize. What some of us need to remember though is that Hillary and Obama are on the same team…and Obama will have all of her support. If you trusted her judgement before, why not now. She can run again in a few years, just as McCain wanted to win his party’s nomination so many times before; there is a time and a place for it…His time is now. Barack’s time is now. Hillary will be there soon enough…let’s make sure that our country can rebuild and be prepared for her to lead. Let’s not submit to the instant gratification thinking that is tearing this country and world apart…that it’s all or nothing. Its Hillary as the democrat or McCain. You will be hurting all of us…including Hillary if you vote that way. And you will regret your stubborness.